Trial by Website - Part 3 (How to be had – just believe every eMail you receive)

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By GusTheRedneck

For those with a continuing interest

NOTE: "Trial by Website - Part 7 Inquiries and followup news" has been placed here on HubPages to both reply to various inquiries and to provide readers with the latest information about this event.

Short and not so sweet

This is a small hub, but the message is a big one.

If you check out "Trial by Website - Part 2" here on HubPages, you will notice that, along with other things, I write there about a deputy sheriff, a "special investigator" fellow by the name of Louis Guthrie. Guthrie’s history as a lawman has been very energetic from the time when he was employed until recently as a deputy sheriff in the Harris County, Texas, Sheriff Department. He is currently a deputy sheriff in Liberty County, Texas.

Joe Warren, Assistand District Attorney, Liberty County, Texas
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Joe Warren, Assistand District Attorney, Liberty County, Texas
Source: YourHoustonNews.com

You are under arrest !


Recently, Deputy Sheriff Guthrie prepared a sworn affidavit that was used to secure an arrest warrant for Joe Warren, an Assistant District Attorney for Liberty County. Judges, local magistrates, the County Attorney, and the District Attorney, himself, stated that they were unaware of both the need or a desire to arrest Joe Warren. Joe Warren's arrest was surprising to many, including Joe Warren.



Good man - bad man - some say one thing, some say something else

All of that aside, Deputy Guthrie submitted a long and involved affidavit that had the result of Joe Warren being charged with several crimes, at least one of which is a felony offense.

Some locals believe, "Good for Guthrie and for local law enforcement’s working for the community without discriminating between the in folks and the out folks."

Others believe that the arrest of Joe Warren is part of an overall plan to attack and discredit the District Attorney and his entire office – to cause turmoil that might be of benefit to others who are accused of crimes and who are to be tried in the Liberty County- based State District Courts.



He wants to kill me !

Someone sent an eMail about Louis Guthrie to one of the locally-operated Web logs (blogs). That eMail was then published by the blog in a short but startling article. The blog's article began with this headline:

"Louis Guthrie Wants to Kill Me by the Giraffes..." 

That eMail continued, saying that a "Giraffe" (rock band) member. Andrew Totolos, had been a classmate of Louis Guthrie in a high school in Texas in the 1980s.The band member declared that he had never spoken with Louis Guthrie during his school years, but he knew of him and originally thought Guthrie to be a rather ordinary sort of boy.

The eMail went on to say a lot more about Louis Guthrie, the memory of which caused Totolos to compose the song, "Louis Guthrie wants to kill me," featured in one of "The Giraffe's" albums.

There were other things within the eMail, but you get the idea. Louis Guthrie had been portrayed as an object of scorn and ridicule.

Quit lying about me !

After reading that blog, Deputy Sheriff Louis Guthrie contacted the Web log and informed its people that the contents of the eMail were totally false. The Web log removed the article and all reader comments about the article from its pages, perhaps because Sheriff Deputy Guthrie told them that the eMail was full of false information and because the Web log that had published the eMail contents had best believe him about their need to get the scurrilous piece off of the Internet.


When the "Giraffes" began their career in music they were only a trio. Now they have many albums and make a lot of noise.
When the "Giraffes" began their career in music they were only a trio. Now they have many albums and make a lot of noise.
Cover of the album in which "Louis Gutherie wants to kill me" exists
Cover of the album in which "Louis Gutherie wants to kill me" exists
Source: Amazon.com

Don't sing songs with wrong titles or wrong lyrics

My own interest in this now very wide-ranging affair of Joe Warren and Louis Guthrie (to name but several of the actors) prompted me to be curious enough to check up on Andrew Totolos and the musical group, "The Giraffes." The check-up told me that the eMail content was a fraud and should not be circulated on the Internet or elsewhere. Whoever wrote and sent the eMail to the Web log in Liberty County did not even spell the song title correctly. What does that tell you?

To me, that erroneous spelling was intentional and designed to denigrate Louis Guthrie.

"The Giraffe's" music album contains a song with the title, "Louis GUTHERIE wants to kill me."

(See this iTunes page about the album containing that song. There were many music-marketing Web sites uncovered in my Internet search that spelled the name of that song, "Louis Gutherie wants to kill me." Music-neutral "Wikipedia" also spelled the name in the title that way. So does Amazon.com from which you can purchase the single song or the whole album. [The song sells for 99 cents, but you should save your money!])

The main point of this story is that eMails from liars tell lies. If you don't know the source, you can't trust the content without some good verification. Even if you do know the source, you'd best check the truth of things before you stick your neck out onto the libel chopping block.

There is a well-known saying, "You cannot believe everything you hear, everything you read, or even everything you see."

I sense that you have gotten my message.


An arresting pair of dedicated deputies - dedicated to playing and smiling - and chasing giraffes
An arresting pair of dedicated deputies - dedicated to playing and smiling - and chasing giraffes

A serial killer maybe ???

In answer to that subtitle's question, "Hardly!"

At September 19, 2011, I was made aware of information of interest concerning Louis Guthrie, the Liberty County Deputy Sheriff that rather well puts the lie to some of the things that I had been told about the man and about his history as a deputy in the Harris County Sheriff's Office. As it turns out, he is running for the position of sheriff of Harris County, Texas. That is a far cry from being some sort of wild-haired "cop" with a penchant for doing things he maybe shouldn't be doing. I have been exposed to his political promotion Web site (louisguthrie.com/louis_guthrie), and found much of that to be interesting and contradictory to much of what I had read about the man earlier - particularly in regard to that nonsense about his being tossed out of Humble (Texas) High School due to impossible to believe interactions in regard to a younger student there. What really was interesting were the descriptions of Guthrie's academic achievements, his sports abilities, and similar things. So, when you are through reading these "Trials by Website" I suggest that you take a look at Louis Guthrie's Website. The pictures it paints are quite pleasant to see.

Back to the meantime, right? ... (and to why of the "serial killer maybe" question)

There was a photo of a lawman attached to that bad eMail, by the way. It was of a pretty fellow, one any mother and father would be happy to have in a frame on the wall. It may or may not be a photograph of the Louis Guthrie everyone knows as the lawman who had Joe Warren arrested. Therefore, I did not post that photograph here. Who knows? It may have been a picture of a serial killer dressed up to look like a lawman. Hence, here you get to see some genuinely friendly and playful sheriffs instead.

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Tucci78 profile image

Tucci78 10 months ago

Not that I can't conceive of a lawyer (and government employee) committing a criminal act, but for just what exactly was Joe Warren supposed to have been arrested in the first place?

There's that old joke about "What's better than a thousand lawyers at the bottom of the Marianas Trench? Two thousand lawyers down there!"

I suppose that one more lawyer in a Texas county jail is a fair-to-middlin' start on getting a bunch more lawyers locked away.

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GusTheRedneck Hub Author 10 months ago

Hi Tucci - Good to hear from you once again! I hope that all goes well for you.

In answer to your question about the reason for the arrest of Joe Warren - somewhat over a year ago he had a squabble with one of his neighbors about their pitbull dogs killing Warren's pet dog. Warren chased one of the neighbors from his land while brandishing a gun, and so forth. The charges against Warren stem from that incident. There is a link atop the current article that you can follow to get the details about that affair.

Gus :-)))

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Tucci78 10 months ago

Chasing somebody off your own property with a firearm in TEXAS? Without firing a shot or so much as taking a bead on the trespasser?

I thought that in Texas, that kind of thing got you a "Good Neighbor" award. You let the sumbitch live.

What the hell. Is the Lone Star State turning into New Jersey?

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GusTheRedneck Hub Author 10 months ago

Hello again Tucci - Obviously you are well-acquainted with Texas ways.

Gus :-)))

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kathryn1000 Level 4 Commenter 10 months ago

Thank the Lord I live here in this saintly land where noone ever does anything wrong.Apart from the Media hacking our phones,the banks failing,the M.P.'s stealing our money and the priests preying sexually on the young.

"What a wonderful world." Luckily we don't have guns but we are pretty nifty with knives for young men and boys to kill each other with and the Ulsterman still rioting away since the Battle of the Boyne just a short few hundred years ago.And we're all Christians too so hence saintlier than every one else.Pardon me,I must be going round the bend!

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GusTheRedneck Hub Author 10 months ago

Howdy kathryn - God, please DO save the Queen. She reigns over people who know how to make me laugh. Thanks kathryn!

Gus :-)))

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dallas93444 Level 6 Commenter 10 months ago

Enjoyed! Thanks. Flag up.

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kathryn1000 Level 4 Commenter 10 months ago

I love the Queen!!

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GusTheRedneck Hub Author 10 months ago

Hi dallas - You are welcome. Gus :-)))

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Patty Inglish, MS Level 7 Commenter 10 months ago

Rated Up and others!

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GusTheRedneck Hub Author 10 months ago

Thank you Patty.

Gus :-)))

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50 Caliber Level 7 Commenter 10 months ago

Gus, I found a bit of funny and dash of irony here after reading a couple other hubs you presented earlier, quite interesting and a scene I've seen played out on key boards across the world wide web, accusation and conviction with no preponderance of evidence, thank you for amusing me further over coffee, peace 50

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GusTheRedneck Hub Author 10 months ago

Howdy 50 - Hey, that coffee surely can taste great on a Saturday morning, can't it?

Liberty County, Texas, is a place wherein the "ins" have been in for a long, long time - and the "outs" are trying to pound on the door for entry. The problem seems to be that those chosen to pound on the door do not seem to be all that well-behaved, and, thus, their poundings are not highly welcomed nor are they too effective. Two of the warriors pounding away for the "outs" are themselves getting ready for felony trials for their misdealings with a small healthcare business - as you read about in those other hubs.

When I first read that "Giraffe" eMail, my thought was on the order of "it figures!" Then I got to thinking about the eMail contents and concluded, "No way!" In other words, it is very easy to write something really nasty about someone or about some group and to hide true authorship of the piece by using a false name. Thus, my "second" thought was that there was no way that TWO big law enforcement agencies would hire a person - and make a higher officer of them - had that person done what the eMail said - threaten to kill people and have firearms in his school locker. That sort of person would never pass the mental exams given to those who want to become peace officers.

Thanks for the read. Have another cup of Joe.

Gus :-)))

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50 Caliber Level 7 Commenter 10 months ago

Thanks Gus, you just added more to my pondering, I have in the past seen many slanderous emails come from certain individuals with the ever bearing "if you choose to just delete this, your a turd" or some such and not only did I delete them, if the sender was a over and over waste of any good and accurate statements [I don't forward either, I'm not a news agency] I just set in place an auto transfer rule to send them to the trash can. I've chosen to keep with the funny stuff and articles that someone is willing to put their name on, like here at Hub Pages. I don't always agree but I do vote at least "up" do to them taking time to write a hub at all, heck if it keeps me reading even if I have no comment I do have a vote and use it as I enjoy the read or I wouldn't have gotten o the button. I think that's fair, yes? dusty

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GusTheRedneck Hub Author 10 months ago

Hola 50 - If I had not made it clear enough in the article, above, that eMail talked about was sent to that other Web log, and they published it until the deputy sheriff caused them to take it down from their blog.

I have a reasonably firm rule as to eMails received here in my eMail inbox. If the subject line is preceded by "fwd" in single or in multiples, I trash it without opening the thing. There will be times when I expect the forwarded eMail, and in that case I read it unless it turns out to be a candidate for the trash bin.

Gus :-)))

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Duchess OBlunt Level 4 Commenter 9 months ago

rated up along with the others!

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GusTheRedneck Hub Author 9 months ago

Hello Duchess - 5 stars for you, too. This is a fun, hobby sort of thing, this Liberty County mess. Every day I like to take a look at what is new over in the county. Nice people don't make for great tales as rascals usually do.

Gus :-)))

Crystal 8 months ago

Six degrees of separation. Boo hoo Totolos is fooi

l1

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GusTheRedneck Hub Author 8 months ago

Hello Crystal - Perhaps someone will understand what it is that you are trying to tell us, but I surely don't. Good luck to you with whatever it is that you are into.

Gus :-)))

Genevieve 8 months ago

I do appreciate that you are quite likely a voice of reason is blowing this drama off like yesterday's new, saying "Don't believe everything you read." My curiosity was piqued this weekend once I read the online debate between a blogger who really didn't want his name out there, but staunch Giraffe defender, and Guthrie supporters, who actually live in the same town with at least one attorney a close personal friend who grew up in the not so humble Humble and knew both men from years of exposure. The blog is suspect to me in that you seem to want to imply something you openly deny. How is it you know Andrew Totolos or Louis Guthrie. And why are you following the story, republishing statements that breathe new life into accusations nobody ever believed to begin with? Cops are always the bad guys if you live on the opposite side of the law abiding fence. Tell me, why would this Principal violate Guthrie's privacy rights as a minor and expose anything remotely as you say? Also, strange that even though he actually believed Guthrie had it in for him, you write as if "no hard feelings, man." is this CYA? Regardless, you should know that you just defamed him too since it's been proven false. Totolos never answered the "show me the money" question and couldn't back up this crazy story of how a guy he hardly knows and thinks "no harm no foul" actually did anything or even knew his name. I think the Band admitted no matter how you spell it, they targeted the guy you just defamed.

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GusTheRedneck Hub Author 8 months ago

Hello Genevieve - It was good of you to produce so detailed a comment concerning the errant eMail that someone (who knows who???) sent in to a Weblog in Liberty, Texas. I will assure you of several things - I do not know either Andrew Totolos or Louis Guthrie, nor would I be inclined to say that either or both of them are from Humble, Texas. I understand that the former is a drummer and possibly a song composer who works with the "Giraffes" musical group and that the latter is employed as a law enforcement officer. Although I did read that eMail about their supposed association in high school, and although I did read a blog that was published in 2008 that duplicated that eMail for the most part, I questioned the accuracy of those items. That is, I do not believe that what they tell is truth. My goal with my article is to illustrate that it is unwise for people to "believe everything you read," I believe, too, that some people used that eMail (and that old blog article) to try to defame either Totolos or Guthrie - or both. Furthermore, the title of Totolos' song does not have the word, "Guthrie" in it, nor do the words of the song. If either of the two men need to be defamed, this article does not do that to them. The "Trial by Website" series is a collection of articles about how several people in Liberty County are apparently using their Weblog to "stir up" their followers prior to their forthcoming trial in court for the felonies for which they have been indicted.

All the same, I am somewhat confused about what it may be that you are trying to say in your comment. I find it hard to tell if you are "for" Totolos, "for" Guthrie, or possibly opposed to one or the other of them.

In my own instance, I am neutral about both of them, letting facts speak for themselves, and suggest to one and all that you should not repeat that which you have no reason to believe.

Now then, I did have a long conversation with a resident of Humble who told me that the Totolos/Guthrie tale is well known and "all over" Humble. Although I like this person and believe that he acually believes what he told me, I find his assurances are not credible - particularly not credible because he told me that the words of Totolos song bear out the whole story. If I had not read the words of that silly little song as I tried to listen to the dreary thing on iTunes, I might have even believed him. However, there is not a word about Louis Guthrie in the lyrics - AND the title uses the name Gutherie, not Guthrie.

I am reasonably sure that my article here spells all of this out fairly well.

Thanks for the comment.It was interesting.

Gus :-)))

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GusTheRedneck Hub Author 8 months ago

See the added material and the link concerning Louis Guthrie added, above, to this article on September 19, 2011.

Gus :-)))

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